No Such Thing Podcast

The podcast is about learning with technology, the realities and exciting potential, but it’s also about youth and the practitioners who support them–youth developers, museum educators, teachers, mentors, counselors, parents–as they grow their identity, and journey forward.


The show is produced in partnership with City University of New York’s Masters Program in Youth Studies at SPS. Learn more on the School of Professional Studies website.

and Mouse, a national youth development nonprofit that believes in technology as a force for good.mouse organization logo

The music in this podcast was produced by Leroy Tindy, a guest in episode zero. You can find him on SoundCloud at AirTindi Beats.

Marc Lesser photoThe podcast is produced by Marc Lesser. Marc is a specialist in the fields of digital learning and youth development with broad experience designing programming and learning environments in local and national contexts. Marc is currently the Youth Studies Fellow at City University of New York, and directs the national efforts to design and develop web-based and live offerings for Mouse.

Marc is the co-founder of Emoti-Con NYC, New York’s biggest youth digital media and technology festival, and in 2012 was named a National School Boards Association “20-to-Watch” among national leaders in education and technology. Connect with Marc on Twitter @malesser, or by email: marc[at]

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What’s with the ice cream truck in the logo? In the 80’s, Richard E. Clark at University of Southern California set off a pretty epic debate based on his statement that “media are mere vehicles that deliver instruction but do not influence student achievement any more than the truck that delivers our groceries causes changes in nutrition.” * So, the ice cream truck, it’s a nod to Richard Clark, who frequently rings in my ear when I’m tempted to take things at face value. “Is it the method, or the medium?” I wonder.

The title, No Such Thing, has a few meanings. Mostly, it emphasizes the importance of hard questions as we develop and document the narrative of “education” in the US. For Richard E. Clark, the question is whether there’s such a thing as learning from new technologies. For others, it might be whether there’s a panacea for the challenges we face in this field. Whatever your question, I hope that it reminds you to keep asking–yourself, your learners, others–what’s working and how so.

* Clark, R. E. (1983) Reconsidering Research on Learning From Media. Review of Educational Resarch 53(4) 445-459.